Prueba: Ford Focus RS500 vs Renault Clio Cup.
ITL
25-jun-2010 13:53
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 Ford Focus RS or Renault Clio Cup - which is the ultimate hot hatch? To find out Autocar tested them back-to-back. The Focus RS500 is billed as the ultimate expression of a hot hatch. But has it gone too far? With 345 bhp and a price tag up with a BMW 335i or a base spec Porsche Cayman has this extremely talented but insane hatchback forgotten its roots?  At £35,750, up £7,855 over the ‘standard’ RS, the RS500 has an extra 45bhp, a shade more torque, a matt black vinyl wrap and a few interior details. It also comes with the hugely evocative RS500 name, last used on the whale tailed Sierra Cosworth. The Clio Cup musters a naturally aspirated 197bhp and 156lb ft of torque from its 2.0-litre four pot motor.  Its price of £16,710, under half of the Ford, asks a lot of questions of the menacing Focus. The RS500 has the answer in third gear. In its lowest two ratios, the Focus’s torque is limited to the same levels as in the standard RS to protect the gearbox and improve traction. But when you slot third, you enter a different world – one dominated by induction gasps and the sort of acceleration the Clio can’t live with.  It is also a world that features a fair amount of torque steer, even with its trick Revo-knuckle suspension. On a dry straight road you have to hold the wheel quite tight, but it seems a reasonable trade-off for the performance available. Find a section of road that’s quiet enough and the Focus feels brutally rapid. Just as we found with the regular RS, the RS500 has a playfulness to its chassis that is downright amusing. Turn in, lift off and the nose tucks in nicely without any real risk of misadventure, then get back on the power. It’s the classic front wheel drive recipe, but honed for maximum enjoyment. Swap into the Clio and it can feel underwhelming. With the poorer ride and an artificial feel to its steering, the only obvious advantage is its lightness: at 1204kg, it carries 263kg less than the Ford. But it is from this lack of mass, and a closely stacked set of ratios, that everything else grows.  Although its outright pace will still be less than the RS500, between the wave of gearchanges, frenzy of revs and a surprisingly useful upshift buzzer, the sense of pace is at times greater in the Clio. But it is into braking zones and corners that the Clio’s lack of weight pays dividends. The steering, brakes and lack of body roll the car gives you a sense of freedom that encourages a little more entry speed and a little more throttle.  This means you arrive at the end of a fast drive wired and exhilarated, exactly the point of a hot hatch. But the fact remains the Focus RS500 will always be going slightly quicker. To find out how much quicker, we visited the Bedford Aerodrome for a few laps free from the moral (and legal) restrictions of the road.  Up to a point, the Focus proves an entertaining track car, with good front-end bite and plenty of adjustability in the chassis. However, at the limit the movement in the rear axle that makes the RS500 such a fun road car robs time around a lap. The RS500’s brakes also lack modulation and it is difficult to carry speed into a corner without tripping into messy oversteer. The result is a one-shot lap time of 2min 12sec. The Clio is at a disadvantage on the circuit’s straights, but the fact is you can brake later and turn in with more speed than in the Ford.  At first your cornering speed is limited by front end grip, but persevere with more speed and it can be persuaded into the sweet spot between understeer and oversteer, giving a lap of 2min 15.5secs – very close considering the power deficit. Where does this leave the Focus? Well, it remains a hugely exciting car, with refinement and space the Clio can’t match.  But a hot hatch should be about simple ingredients and a balance of abilities not dominated by any single component. Having 345bhp is great for a time, but using every last one of the Clio’s 197bhp is simply more fun. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be more or less powerful or expensive hot hatches out there, but I reckon the Clio Cup defines better than any other where the centre of gravity for the hot hatch should be.  Fuente: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/250693/ |
ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 14:00
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estan comparando coches de diferentes segmentos Utilitario y compacto. Esa prueba no tiene ningun puto sentido de todas formas a mi que me den el RS500 y el otro que se lo queden |
Mira el avatar
25-jun-2010 14:00
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Vaya comparativa. Con el precio del Focus RS500, te compras 2 Clio Rs cup y te sigue sobrando pasta  Me gustan los dos, pero no digo cual es mejor, ya que juegan en ligas completamente diferentes: - El Clio RS cup es el mejor de los utilitarios - El Focus RS500 el mejor de los compactos Y me quedo tan ancho 
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ITL
25-jun-2010 14:02
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La verdad es que es una comparativa un tanto extraña, pero bueno, no es ni la primera, ni la última que se ha visto.
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Forocoches: Miemvro
25-jun-2010 14:04
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| Es como comprar un Lotus elise con un Veyron.... Por el precio del Veyron te compras muchos Elises, y el Elise se lo papa en circuito (salvo rectas kilometricas), ¿cual es mejor coche de los 2? |
De la vieja escuela....
25-jun-2010 14:06
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Joder....Mira que es feo el clio restyling y encima en verde...... El RS500 expectacular |
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club aeromodelismo FC nº 10 !!Shureste Racing!! Con guantes y a lo loco Nº7
ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 14:11
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a los que decis que os quedais con el clio... disfruten lo rombado 
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ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 14:22
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| Si es por comparar los coches más radicales de cada categoria me parece bien, si no no tiene ni pies ni cabeza |
JMª Ponce...un ídolo
25-jun-2010 14:25
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Me quedaba con el Focus sin apenas pensarlo...un par de noches, porque la verdad es que son los dos unas máquinas cojonudas. SALUDOS |
Un gran miembro
25-jun-2010 14:28
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Increible el RS, mas aun el 500 y si me lo das negro mate me gayoleo a dos manos El Cup todo lo contrario, feo como mis huevos, y en ese color pese a que es dificil, lo hacen mas feo aun, el interior es bochornoso... |
¨to punish and enslave...
25-jun-2010 14:31
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| pero que les pasa a los de renault con los interiores... joder se cargan el coche |
Un gran miembro
25-jun-2010 14:37
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Yo quiero enteder que se han tirao el moco de que es un CUP, que pasan de interiores ya que lo importante está bajo el capó...pero coño, tampoco hay que llevarlo a esos extremos, porque si me quitan lo elevalunas electricos no desentonaría |
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25-jun-2010 14:40
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ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 14:51
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| se soluciona rapido, todo el plastico fuera y a tirar de carbono.... |
Mira el avatar
25-jun-2010 14:57
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Hombre, el interior es soso, pero tampoco el del Focus es la excelencia... Además, el interior del Clio se le ve que le falta bastantes cosas para mejorar la calidad (no la imagen) |
ITL
25-jun-2010 14:59
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Pues a mi el interior del Clio me gusta, es simple y sin chorradas innecesarias.
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ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 15:05
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Vergonzoso para ti...para mi trae lo justo que yo quiero y necesito,lo unico quizas mal que le veo es los espejos que ahy que moverlos a mano o eso me parece en la foto. (pa encima lo dices tu ''que tienes un ibiza'') Tiene cojones.......... |
TDI
ForoCoches: Miembro
25-jun-2010 15:11
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| ¿Qué significa "expectacular"?, ¿que antes era pectacular y ahora no lo es? |
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25-jun-2010 15:12
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Al menos lleva radio, el BMW M3 CSL no lleva ni eso ( y creo recordar que tampoco lleva A/C). PD:Me quedo con el Renault. Además los periodistas del motor dicen que es uno de los coches mas divertidos de conducir |
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De la vieja escuela....
25-jun-2010 15:13
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Tiene mucha presencia,anchura,buen sonido,anda mucho...te vale?? 
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